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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand

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and he looked in his eyes and he said

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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we're live every wednesday at 8 pm

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eastern standard time on the dark matter

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radio network

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please remember to visit the website

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for past episodes blogs and forums

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during the show feel free to participate

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hello and welcome to podcast ufo i'm

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martin willis your host

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and as she just said we are coming at

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you live in the dark matter radio

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and we're actually recording from a

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noe torres and reuben yuriarty

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able to get on the chat room tonight i'm

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to get on there so i can ask some

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questions please don't be discouraged i

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as we go along here i'll tell you what

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as we're playing andy

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so if you're listening live at dark

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you can jump over to podcastufo.com

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and on the right hand sidebar two clicks

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the chat room and you can at least

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communicate with each other

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uh sonny white um an email and he

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couple of years ago at a local

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mars that had actually been found on the

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hello there martin this is noey torres

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the military was involved a plane

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about this by the way called the koyame

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we have a gathering a ufo

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festival if you will in the small town

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and uh to commemorate this incredible

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um so let's for the listener that has

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the whole uh the whole incident can you

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soup to nuts but not too involved in and

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let reuben come in toward the tail end

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so the immediate thought was that

286
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perhaps this could be an incoming icbm

287
00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:41,839
uh fired uh by a hostile nation

288
00:10:44,949 --> 00:10:43,839
so we were looking at an object that was

289
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streaking toward us

290
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at over 2500 miles per hour and an

291
00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:50,240
altitude of 75 thousand feet

292
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incoming to one of the largest port

293
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cities

294
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in south texas which is corpus christi

295
00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,680
suddenly the object did a 90 degree

296
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angle turn to the south

297
00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:05,760
and it zoomed down past brownsville

298
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texas

299
00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:09,279
again moving very fast over 2000 miles

300
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per hour

301
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did another 90 degree angle turn and

302
00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,640
cut into mexican airspace about 40 miles

303
00:11:21,590 --> 00:11:18,959
south of brownsville texas which is the

304
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southernmost tip of texas

305
00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:24,640
so a short while later the object

306
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started decelerating

307
00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:30,320
and descending in a series of steps

308
00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:33,519
in other words it would it would fly

309
00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:35,519
at a certain altitude and speed for a

310
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while and then it would

311
00:11:43,030 --> 00:11:40,240
plateau down to a lower level

312
00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:43,040
and at a slightly slower speed and it

313
00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:45,120
seemed to follow more or less the course

314
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of the rio grande river which divides

315
00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:49,279
texas and mexico

316
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until it came to a point

317
00:11:57,030 --> 00:11:55,760
in which is near the texas town of

318
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presidio

319
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and the mexican town of koyama on the

320
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other side of the river

321
00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:04,800
and it was there that reportedly this

322
00:12:10,949 --> 00:12:06,720
this ufo

323
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crashed into a small plane that had

324
00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:13,279
taken off about an hour earlier from el

325
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paso international airport

326
00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:18,720
which is northwest of presidio and

327
00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:22,160
the two objects collided

328
00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:24,079
the wreckage fell to the desert below

329
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and that's where the story gets really

330
00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,360
interesting because apparently there was

331
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a recovery effort made

332
00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:31,839
uh both by the u.s and mexico to get to

333
00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:33,600
the wreckage first and to retrieve

334
00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:36,000
whatever technology was to be found

335
00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:39,760
there and the first ones to get to the

336
00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:41,839
scene were actually a team of mexican

337
00:12:46,629 --> 00:12:43,440
soldiers

338
00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:46,639
along with a convoy of military vehicles

339
00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:49,200
flatbed truck they actually got to the

340
00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:51,440
wreckage of the small plane

341
00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:53,279
they saw that there was not much left

342
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:54,480
and there certainly weren't any

343
00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:56,560
survivors this was the following morning

344
00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:57,200
after

345
00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:00,800
the crash but then near near the

346
00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:02,959
crashed plane they found this silver

347
00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:04,639
disk

348
00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:07,120
and it was kind of small in terms of the

349
00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:08,240
ufo

350
00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:11,519
uh encounters of the past it was 16 feet

351
00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:15,279
in diameter and about seven or eight

352
00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:18,079
feet tall but anyway they found this

353
00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:19,680
silver disc and it was more or less

354
00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:22,079
intact it had a couple of damage points

355
00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:23,440
on the hull

356
00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:25,360
but they hoisted it up into their

357
00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:26,480
military truck

358
00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:29,760
and they headed back to the army base

359
00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:34,000
in that's right along the border with

360
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:37,519
texas there you know hinaga chihuahua

361
00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:40,079
which is i mean you can walk from

362
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:42,079
okinawa over to presidio

363
00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:44,480
uh in just a matter of minutes uh reuben

364
00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:46,160
and i have made that trip across that

365
00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:48,240
border many times

366
00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:51,519
but anyway on the way to okinawa

367
00:13:55,829 --> 00:13:53,199
something really interesting happened

368
00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:55,839
and that is that the entire

369
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:58,880
convoy of between 20 and 30 mexican

370
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:01,199
soldiers stopped dead in its tracks

371
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:04,240
and all the soldiers died

372
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:06,399
they were found later when the u.s

373
00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:09,600
recovery team arrived shortly thereafter

374
00:14:13,509 --> 00:14:12,240
um as i mentioned both both were trying

375
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,519
to get to the red

376
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:15,360
edge the mexican team got there first

377
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:17,360
they had the advantage of geography

378
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:20,000
but when the u.s team arrived in

379
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,440
biohazard gear

380
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:24,480
full protection suits

381
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,199
which the mexicans did not have prior

382
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:29,199
experience in handling these sorts of

383
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:30,959
incidents of course

384
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:34,480
favored the u.s recovery effort

385
00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:36,560
so they arrived at the scene they found

386
00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:37,680
the mexicans dead

387
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:41,440
and they actually took over took control

388
00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:43,360
of that crashed ufo and brought it back

389
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,519
to the state of texas

390
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,440
so in a nutshell that gives you an

391
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,160
overview of the happenings of of that

392
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:52,800
day in august 1974.

393
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,959
now were there any witnesses that

394
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:56,240
actually saw

395
00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:00,639
any part of the crash besides on radar

396
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:03,120
well we have uh i'll let ruben speak to

397
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:04,720
that but some very interesting

398
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,480
witnesses have come forward go ahead

399
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:07,920
reuben yes

400
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,160
um as no even mentioned it's been close

401
00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,399
to 40 years and

402
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:14,880
the fact how we found out about this

403
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,440
particular case was through a document

404
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,079
known as the deneb report now this is

405
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,920
how noah and i first got involved in it

406
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,079
because

407
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,320
originally there was a television

408
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:28,240
document documentary that was being

409
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,440
put together by history channel and

410
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,360
uh they were looking at different uh

411
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:34,800
crash retrievals and

412
00:15:41,749 --> 00:15:38,160
this particular document came up and

413
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:41,759
when noy saw the the the

414
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:44,880
episode and um i was in the documentary

415
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:47,519
uh talking briefly about the incident

416
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:48,160
that happened

417
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:51,600
in koyami uh noah later contacted me and

418
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:52,240
said hey

419
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,959
i liked you know where did you get this

420
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:56,800
document uh

421
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:59,440
the i'm familiar with texas i'm familiar

422
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,560
with the geography

423
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:02,639
this is so well detailed it was so well

424
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,120
written there's just a lot more to it

425
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:08,399
so with that uh as we started to gather

426
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:08,880
all the

427
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,720
um we realized

428
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:15,040
that this is there's so much more detail

429
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:15,920
than that's when

430
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,600
noah had said hey let's let's uh

431
00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:19,680
collaborate and do a book on this

432
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:23,600
and um martin i wouldn't it just led on

433
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:23,920
to

434
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:26,560
something bigger because what we found

435
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:26,959
was

436
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:30,240
were other

437
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:33,199
uh ufo crashes that have occurred on the

438
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,399
texas

439
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:36,639
mexican border which that could lead to

440
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:37,519
other

441
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:40,720
your show because

442
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:42,320
there's just so much that we were

443
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:43,759
finding out but

444
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:46,800
the the uh thing that's that's been

445
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,399
really quite unique is as we've been

446
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,079
putting together these conferences

447
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,680
as noah had mentioned the one in

448
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:53,519
presidio uh

449
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:56,800
slowly but surely we've been luring

450
00:17:04,470 --> 00:16:59,920
uh several witnesses people

451
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:04,480
there was a couple that uh a mother

452
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:08,480
and a son she was a former school

453
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,120
teacher

454
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,240
and retired and back in 1974 they

455
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,880
remember seeing this huge explosion

456
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,839
on the other side of the mexican border

457
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:19,039
there's probably some other little

458
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,240
details there but

459
00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,559
when we also received some other

460
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:24,480
eyewitness testimony

461
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:27,919
from a gentleman who is a

462
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,880
a los angeles police officer and back

463
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,080
then his family

464
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,440
were visiting were visiting uh

465
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,000
koyami since they had family there and

466
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:40,480
he shared with us the strange story

467
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:44,400
about him encountering an alien

468
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:47,760
a being right around the same time that

469
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,080
the

470
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,960
koyami uh incident had occurred so

471
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:53,360
there's a lot more to the story that we

472
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,520
after four years just like with the

473
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:56,559
roswell uh

474
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,280
incident it happened in 1947 and we're

475
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,400
still learning

476
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:02,720
bits and pieces from other witnesses

477
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,640
that are

478
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,400
sharing information with the various

479
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:08,640
investigators now has anyone in the

480
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:09,760
military

481
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:12,240
on either the mexican side or the u.s

482
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,039
side

483
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,679
has anyone spoken up as a witness that

484
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:17,440
was legitimate

485
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,360
we have a report from a gentleman who

486
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,960
and i want to backtrack just a little

487
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:24,400
bit

488
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,200
the mobilization effort on the u.s side

489
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:28,559
was staged out of

490
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,679
fort bliss army base which is one of the

491
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,520
largest

492
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,840
u.s army installations in the united

493
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:36,720
states

494
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:39,679
based in el paso texas and actually

495
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:42,480
their territory extends

496
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,679
from el paso texas all the way into new

497
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,520
mexico

498
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,880
so i mean it is a huge military compound

499
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,440
so according to the information that

500
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,600
we've gathered the

501
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,520
the military hardware that was used

502
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,200
which was six helicopters

503
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:02,559
including a huge cargo helicopter

504
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,280
uh the military hardware was assets were

505
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,280
brought into fort bliss

506
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,320
you know in the dead of night upon

507
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,880
having received the information of a

508
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,160
downed

509
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,640
of a fallen angel as it's referred to

510
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:18,080
often times

511
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,080
in as a code word so this hardware was

512
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,440
brought into place the

513
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,840
personnel were brought in on a moment's

514
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,160
notice from all over the u.s

515
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:30,720
and so the staging of it was out of fort

516
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,200
bliss

517
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,400
well we have had a witness who was at

518
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,960
fort bliss in 1974

519
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:39,520
and he told us that he was a young man

520
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,240
he used to

521
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,000
his dad was in the military and he used

522
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:43,440
to ride his

523
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,039
his uh motorbike around the base

524
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,679
and he noticed a high level of security

525
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:50,880
and lots of

526
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:54,640
mobilization of vehicles and personnel

527
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,520
in august 1974 he's not completely

528
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,919
exactly sure the date

529
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,360
but he thought this was extremely

530
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,840
unusual and had never seen anything like

531
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:05,360
it prior to that day

532
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:08,240
and hadn't hadn't seen anything after

533
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:09,440
that day

534
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,240
so we've had all of these witnesses uh

535
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,400
backing up just a moment

536
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,679
the chambers story john chambers

537
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:20,640
and his mother who was a very respected

538
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:21,200
and

539
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,679
of texas

540
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,760
they were the ones who were on the texas

541
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:29,440
side the night this happened

542
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,480
and they saw this huge explosion

543
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:35,919
almost like a mushroom cloud come up

544
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,799
over the mountains of mexico right

545
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,000
across the river

546
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,200
from the presidio texas area and what's

547
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:44,400
really really odd

548
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,000
about that is that years before we heard

549
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:51,679
from them uh reuben and i had pinpointed

550
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,240
what we

551
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,360
thought was the more or less exact

552
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,280
location of this mid-air collision

553
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,360
between the plane and the ufo

554
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:02,400
and so we had drawn an x on the map so

555
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,200
to speak

556
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:06,000
on the mexican side of the international

557
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:07,120
boundary

558
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,280
and what really blew our minds was when

559
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,679
john chambers and his mom came forward

560
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:15,039
and said they saw

561
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,039
the explosion and it came the smoke rose

562
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,320
right up from the very point

563
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,799
that reuben and i had drawn on the map

564
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:25,760
two or three years

565
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:29,280
earlier so that that just it gave me

566
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,960
goosebumps when when we finally realized

567
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,600
that they were talking about having seen

568
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,280
that right on the other side of that

569
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,120
mountain range and reuben and i

570
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,600
have been all throughout walking around

571
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,919
that area on the mexican side so we were

572
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,480
actually

573
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:47,039
looking at that mountain from the other

574
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:47,679
side

575
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,480
our research and she was talking about

576
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,440
her and her son having seen the incident

577
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,280
from the texas side

578
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,679
on that evening so it was an eerie and

579
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:01,440
uncanny experience

580
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,960
wow now when the mexicans died

581
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,080
had any research or anything

582
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:11,039
come about as far as what killed them as

583
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,440
far

584
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:14,880
do you know any of that information uh

585
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,320
so far uh well in the report uh

586
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,880
as it was mentioned that these soldiers

587
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:23,679
supposedly died or were exposed to

588
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:27,520
some sort of biological toxic substance

589
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,039
which we were always speculating that

590
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,280
perhaps that's what it was a

591
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,320
a virus of some sort that threatened uh

592
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,120
not just the soldiers or that area but

593
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,559
the entire area

594
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,880
and that perhaps one of the reasons why

595
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,640
that huge explosion

596
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,600
well might have been the the reason for

597
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,240
the quarantine that was imposed

598
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,679
in the report they gathered all the

599
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,240
soldiers they gathered the vehicles all

600
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,880
and they went ahead and uh and destroyed

601
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:57,840
them

602
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:01,120
but uh as far as anything else um

603
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,679
there's

604
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,360
been some theories we hear about that

605
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:04,960
that perhaps the soldiers

606
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:08,960
the mexican soldiers might have died

607
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,480
from from a uh encounter with with the

608
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:14,640
military with the us military but

609
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,000
again that's right speculation and we

610
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,159
are looking at different sources so if

611
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:21,600
we're able to pull that up

612
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,360
if that's true if that is true then

613
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,360
we really are dealing with an

614
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,559
international

615
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,039
incident of far you know great

616
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,640
proportions that

617
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:36,240
definitely shows that we have a major

618
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,760
right right another thing that always

619
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,360
crosses my mind you said there may have

620
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,120
been other crashes

621
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:45,679
if you had to i don't care if it's um

622
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,159
either you

623
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,799
know or ruben um want to speculate or

624
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,960
both of you where the heck would they

625
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,760
put

626
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,760
something that was retrieved what would

627
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:56,159
you think they would do with it

628
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,200
okay well um regarding other crashes

629
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,240
actually i i just want to add that

630
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,880
uh that area of mexico which is part of

631
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,400
the chihuahuan desert

632
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:11,200
which also extends by the way into the

633
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,400
united states and

634
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,960
up to roswell new mexico that's a

635
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,120
northernmost extension of the chihuahuan

636
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,200
desert which actually begins just a

637
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,200
little north of mexico city

638
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,080
and extends all the way into roswell so

639
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,679
i mean what's really interesting is that

640
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,480
this has been an

641
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:29,520
incredibly active area in terms of ufo

642
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,320
sightings

643
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,919
encounters with beings paranormal events

644
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,679
there's an area there near presidio

645
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,120
texas that's known as

646
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,360
mexico's zone of silence or mexico's

647
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,279
bermuda triangle

648
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,760
compasses don't work electronics don't

649
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,760
function

650
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,320
you know aviators have had trouble

651
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:50,480
controlling their planes so

652
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:54,080
we for whatever reason that area of

653
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,159
of west texas and northern mexico

654
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,200
is incredibly active with paranormal

655
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,279
activity and continues to be so

656
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,480
today we we're not

657
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,799
exactly sure what may have happened to

658
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,279
the retrieved artifacts from the koyama

659
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,720
crash

660
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,960
the deneb report which reuben has

661
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:17,039
referenced which was the original source

662
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,760
for

663
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:20,799
uh this reported ufo crash the

664
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,840
document mentions that the crash

665
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,279
artifacts were taken

666
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,080
to the centers for disease control in

667
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,000
atlanta georgia

668
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,640
which is logical because in 1974 that

669
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,679
was the world's

670
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:36,720
most advanced laboratories

671
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,400
facility for dealing with possible

672
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,679
lethal biological contamination uh

673
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,840
elements of biological contamination

674
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,960
so that's another uh you can kind of

675
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,400
notch that on the side

676
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,960
of this was an event which threatened

677
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,480
some

678
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,919
deadly biological consequences for both

679
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:00,240
the u.s and mexico side and perhaps

680
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,279
that's

681
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,640
why what happened happened namely the

682
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,400
death of the mexican soldiers the

683
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,880
recovery by the us of the

684
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,000
materials and then ship them off to the

685
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,840
centers for disease control

686
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:16,080
after however that wasn't the final

687
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,039
destination

688
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,880
according to the deneb report and other

689
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,480
information we've looked at

690
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,080
apparently it went from um

691
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,400
from the centers of for disease control

692
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,640
in atlanta went to a secret military

693
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,080
installation

694
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,559
um the identity of which would just be

695
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,110
well yes um you know

696
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:41,200
i was just looking up on the um the

697
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:42,159
message board

698
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,360
uh you're welcome if you're on the

699
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,039
message board if you want to pose a

700
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,640
question to our guests tonight

701
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,400
please go right ahead and do so and i'll

702
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,559
i'll read the question

703
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:53,919
to them so the the thing

704
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,039
that um it makes total sense is if

705
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,279
something did come from say another

706
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:00,799
planet and it was

707
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,080
just simply in contact with

708
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,960
humans of course there could be a

709
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,159
biological

710
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,279
uh sickness immediately and even deadly

711
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,120
uh that makes total sense just like the

712
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:14,559
opposite of the war of the worlds you

713
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,520
know when the

714
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,919
they you know the beings died of our

715
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,799
simple

716
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,440
colds or diseases you know we don't have

717
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,640
i think there's something like

718
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,760
i forget how many billions of uh

719
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:28,399
things were immune to but it's all

720
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,120
evolution

721
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,320
you get instantaneously

722
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,039
exposed to something that your body does

723
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,640
not have any uh

724
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,799
any defense against and certainly could

725
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,279
uh kill someone right away

726
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,559
uh ironically uh uh you probably

727
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:46,320
remember the movie the andromeda strain

728
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,750
not too far from presidio um every time

729
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,600
that i go with noe we uh

730
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,880
what is the name of that little town

731
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:59,520
again i know a shop chef here or is it

732
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,840
uh

733
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,159
it's after texas and it's it's actually

734
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,440
one of the richest

735
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,240
silver mining areas in the state of

736
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,159
texas over history

737
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,039
and just recently a canadian company has

738
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,120
come in and reactivated the mines which

739
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,440
had been closed for decades

740
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
but it's interesting that a lot of ufo

741
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,760
incidents tend to happen in areas

742
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:22,399
that are rich in certain kinds of ores

743
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,440
and certainly the

744
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:26,559
area there around presidio koyame

745
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,640
is one of the wealthiest um in terms of

746
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:32,399
ore deposits

747
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,159
silver and other kinds of wards ores

748
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,640
it's one of the richest uranium uranium

749
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:39,600
it's one of the richest

750
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,799
uranium mining areas in all of the

751
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,480
country of mexico

752
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,640
so i mean we don't know if that's

753
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,919
associated with it

754
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:49,919
but there certainly seems to be looking

755
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,799
at the long history of ufo sightings

756
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,480
there does seem to be a correlation

757
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,640
between um

758
00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,679
between the presence of certain ores

759
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,960
in large quantities and um these

760
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,080
sightings

761
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,520
yes oh just to add too

762
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,760
you also have another area that's very

763
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,360
famous for its

764
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,039
sightings so that's the the marvel

765
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,279
lights that's another one of my favorite

766
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:17,120
places i love to travel which is not

767
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,840
that far

768
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,840
from that area are you pretty familiar

769
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,120
with that are you martin

770
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,799
you don't know the mark what's it called

771
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:24,320
again i'm sorry

772
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,919
the martha lights mm-hmm i i think that

773
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,480
came up before but i just i don't know

774
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,080
um i'm going to talk about something

775
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,320
else so but okay where where is that

776
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,559
quickly

777
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,360
well i i'm going to fill in if i could

778
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,200
just briefly martin

779
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,279
as i mentioned that whole area is like a

780
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,039
paranormal treasure trove

781
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,960
it's one of the reasons that we decided

782
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,600
to have this annual conference here

783
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,279
because there's so many interesting

784
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:53,360
things and one of those it's like seeing

785
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:54,240
ufos

786
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:57,840
every night on schedule because at dusk

787
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,840
since the 1800s you stand at a certain

788
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,399
place in a small town of martha texas

789
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,240
you can stand in a certain place and

790
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:07,440
look out

791
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,720
on the desert floor about

792
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,760
10 to 20 miles ahead of you and up

793
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,760
against the side of a mountain ridge you

794
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:16,880
can see

795
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,399
these incredibly bizarre twinkling

796
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,799
lights moving up and down

797
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:26,000
spinning around in circle changing

798
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:29,919
colors and all kinds of

799
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:32,799
scientific tests have been done trying

800
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,760
to explain them away as some kind of

801
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,399
natural phenomenon nobody has been able

802
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,720
to adequately explain them other people

803
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,039
say they're the lights headlights from

804
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,559
cars that are passing by nearby roads

805
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,640
that are reflected up into the clouds

806
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,159
and back down

807
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,399
uh all kinds of weird theories that are

808
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,720
that are even stranger in some ways

809
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,799
than than just calling them ufos or

810
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,880
calling them unexplained

811
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,720
uh the problem with the car theory is

812
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,919
that those flights have been around

813
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,960
since the 1800s and there were no cars

814
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,760
in the 1800s so it's a strange

815
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,600
phenomenon and just goes with that whole

816
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,720
region where this

817
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,000
ufo crash incident happened you know

818
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:16,240
recently i was speaking about

819
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,519
their the hot spot over in denmark where

820
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,440
there's actually you know there's been a

821
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,279
little bit of scientific work

822
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:25,679
and there's speculation among scientists

823
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,399
that actually

824
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,320
looked into that seriously that because

825
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:29,519
there's uh

826
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,840
copper deposits or and

827
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,519
i can't remember what else there was

828
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,039
there

829
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,480
but they're they're speculating that it

830
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,159
might be almost like a battery effect

831
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:41,360
and causing

832
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,799
like a natural phenomenon of plasma

833
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,679
lights which would make sense in a lot

834
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,039
of situations

835
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,440
but when you're talking about um there

836
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,399
are areas

837
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,960
of that are hot spots that there's all

838
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,880
kinds of paranormal things going on that

839
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,080
are

840
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,480
can't really be linked to battery type

841
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:02,240
conditions or plasma or anything like

842
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,640
that

843
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,880
now here's another interesting twist to

844
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,919
this martin is

845
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,000
last year reuben and i were present when

846
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,480
this when this was taking place we had a

847
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,360
group of paranormal researchers

848
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,320
that were using handheld laser beams

849
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,919
laser emitters

850
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:20,080
and they aimed it at those marvel lights

851
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,279
off in the distance

852
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,360
and those things would there was a

853
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,120
definite reaction

854
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,399
we got it on film when the laser beam

855
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,039
would strike those orbs of light

856
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:34,480
they would dim slowly diminish in size

857
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,960
and go

858
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:37,279
out then as soon as the researchers

859
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,240
turned the

860
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,960
laser beam off they'd come back on and

861
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,399
in some cases they would move

862
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,960
left in a clear reaction to the laser

863
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,519
beam or they would move right

864
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,799
and so reuben and i were just

865
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,360
amazed because nobody previous to that

866
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,720
nobody had ever tried

867
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,880
you know any sort of a laser beam

868
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,720
experiment

869
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,960
and by the way that was such a big story

870
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,960
that it was featured on the front page

871
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,320
of the

872
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,880
of san antonio texas major newspaper the

873
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,080
san antonio express

874
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,760
news the next day so i mean it's

875
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,279
we're talking about something that

876
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,440
people are really interested in

877
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:18,880
it's been a mystery that's been around

878
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,159
texas since the 1800s as i mentioned

879
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,399
yes uh hence where can someone find that

880
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,389
uh well uh it's on our

881
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,440
youtube site which is linked from our

882
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,640
website roswellbooks.com uh

883
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,320
it's kind of a one-stop shop for

884
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,840
everything so people will just look up

885
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,600
roswellbooks.com or

886
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:46,960
they can also go to uh youtube

887
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:50,080
and just do some searches for marvel

888
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:50,960
lights

889
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,399
laser experiment well that's great

890
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:55,519
i'm going to have to check that out

891
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,200
myself and marfa is m-a-r-f-a by the way

892
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:01,440
okay we will link that to our show notes

893
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,240
or we'll

894
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,000
have that link to the podcast well i'll

895
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,679
send you a link martin so you can share

896
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,000
with

897
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:09,359
your listeners all right now when we

898
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,320
spoke briefly

899
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,000
ahead of time you said that there have

900
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,599
been a couple of uh

901
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,159
a couple of breakthroughs continuing on

902
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,520
talking about

903
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,639
the kayama uh crash have there

904
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,399
can you explain to the listening

905
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,240
audience what those uh breakthroughs

906
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,919
have been

907
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,359
well one of the major breakthroughs

908
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:30,079
we've already touched on was

909
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,079
coming across the incredible story that

910
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,720
john chambers and his mother mrs

911
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,320
chambers a renowned

912
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,839
texas educator with over 50 years of

913
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,159
experience

914
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,000
when they came forward and told us that

915
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,159
they saw what we said

916
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,480
they should have seen but they saw it

917
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,720
from the texas side

918
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,359
of where this incident happened and then

919
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,480
uh

920
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:00,000
story

921
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:03,920
for that he heard from a police officer

922
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:04,160
in

923
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,760
uh reuben do you want to tell briefly

924
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,960
what the officer told you yes uh and

925
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,119
go into a little bit more detail but

926
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,079
what he was

927
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,240
sharing with us that which we we also

928
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:24,160
now included in our book

929
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,000
was the fact that during the summer time

930
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,160
uh his family they would visit the

931
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,400
grandparents that lived in koyami

932
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:35,760
and while one day he was uh riding his

933
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,320
uncle's horse and when he was riding it

934
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,160
it was getting very dark so he

935
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,680
dismounted and started to

936
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,839
take care of the horse and right across

937
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,119
the road

938
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,079
from from the corral there was a

939
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,280
cornfield

940
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,680
and he kept looking and because he heard

941
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,160
a noise and he kept looking over there

942
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,960
and finally he looked again and he saw

943
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,680
this uh

944
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,240
shadowy figure he thought it was an

945
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,160
animal but when he looked again it said

946
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,960
he said oh he looked like a small man

947
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,160
well

948
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:10,240
when he got he stared at it and then he

949
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:11,200
noticed that

950
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,520
this thing was a small

951
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,880
humanoid like creature that it had

952
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:21,920
very deep red eyes and that

953
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:25,520
the the face or the

954
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:28,720
forehead of the skull of the creature

955
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,400
had the ridges

956
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,359
and uh it just frightened the heck out

957
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,560
of him and so he ran

958
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,800
to his uh to his went to his

959
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,000
grandmother's house and started

960
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,880
telling everybody what he saw and basic

961
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,440
and then his grandmother said oh oh

962
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,920
you must have seen the little the devils

963
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,839
and that's how because the grandmother

964
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,240
and some of the local people have seen

965
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:54,160
this these type of beans there in that

966
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,119
area

967
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,160
uh years later um we we've been in

968
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,320
contact and working very closely with

969
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,520
several other mexican investigators and

970
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,839
uh some of they had shared with us that

971
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,119
their witnesses had

972
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,280
seen these these similar type beings

973
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:10,880
which coincidentally

974
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,400
almost matches the description of these

975
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,560
beings that were

976
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,359
seen in uh in brazil if you recall oh

977
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:20,640
yes

978
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,839
he said

979
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,560
he saw drawings the the our witness said

980
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,200
he saw

981
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,359
drawings of that particular being in

982
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,960
brazil and he said that's exactly what

983
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,400
he saw

984
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,960
so we might we might be on to something

985
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,160
there

986
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,520
i i think also the uh i think we know we

987
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,760
may have covered this but in terms of

988
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,040
the military

989
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:46,160
we did get somebody that

990
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,160
went into our wikipedia and

991
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,760
added the names of soldiers

992
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,520
they added the names of the mexican

993
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,040
soldiers um

994
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,800
that were they were dead as well as the

995
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:00,400
american soldiers that were

996
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,160
involved in the actual retrieval

997
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:06,640
we thought that was really interesting

998
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:07,200
and so

999
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,200
noe uh went and i was doing some

1000
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,359
investigation and trying to find out the

1001
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,800
the source of that

1002
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,480
which he uh no i was just wondering if

1003
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,160
you wanted to elaborate on that because

1004
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,240
well this was a very interesting

1005
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,880
development martin that happened to us

1006
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,920
i i wrote the original article for

1007
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,359
wikipedia

1008
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,359
for those of you but for those of you

1009
00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:30,720
listeners and there shouldn't be too

1010
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:32,680
many who aren't familiar with it it's an

1011
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,839
encyclopedia on the internet that anyone

1012
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:36,560
can

1013
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,400
and edit

1014
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:43,680
other people's articles if you want to

1015
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,359
it's kind of a shared community

1016
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,440
encyclopedia of all the world's

1017
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,920
knowledge it strives to be

1018
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,400
so i had written an article many years

1019
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,880
ago i'd say around 2007

1020
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,640
just giving a brief overview of the

1021
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,320
koyama incident as we've

1022
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,640
as reuben and i have brought it to your

1023
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:04,720
listeners tonight

1024
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,960
well about a year ago suddenly

1025
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:12,079
the basic outline of what happened

1026
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:16,720
was changed by an anonymous user

1027
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,160
on wikipedia's website and they went in

1028
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,359
as reuben said and they filled in

1029
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,119
where we had said that some mexican

1030
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,880
soldiers died

1031
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:30,000
they went in and filled in the names and

1032
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:34,560
mexican military serial numbers

1033
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,000
of some of the mexican soldiers

1034
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,680
who died and now this will blow your

1035
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,000
mind

1036
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,040
they also added the names and

1037
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,000
military serial numbers for several of

1038
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:49,920
the us soldiers

1039
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,960
involved in the recovery effort

1040
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:55,200
not only that but they went in and added

1041
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,320
more details

1042
00:40:03,589 --> 00:39:59,839
which make sense in the overall

1043
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:03,599
scheme of the story but they weren't

1044
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:07,280
details that we had any source for

1045
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:10,880
any confirmation about

1046
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,560
so i i tried to work through the people

1047
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,000
you know and wikipedia is an

1048
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,720
all-volunteer effort made up of

1049
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:21,119
people from all over the world i tried

1050
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:21,920
to work

1051
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,920
through the wikipedia hierarchy trying

1052
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:27,920
to figure out who it was that posted

1053
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,240
that

1054
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,960
article when i finally was able to

1055
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,960
communicate with the individual who

1056
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:35,839
posted that he was very evasive

1057
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:39,359
he would not respond to my emails

1058
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,680
he ignored my questions

1059
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,400
he gave me answers which were misleading

1060
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,200
about

1061
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,760
where he got the information when i

1062
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,359
would check his sources

1063
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,440
there was no such information at those

1064
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,040
sources

1065
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,760
and finally he just said something to

1066
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,760
the effect that he no longer wished to

1067
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:00,960
talk to me and he

1068
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,309
so we don't know he was obviously a

1069
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,960
person who had inside information

1070
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,200
may have been involved in the case or

1071
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,119
known someone

1072
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,599
who was involved in the case and so that

1073
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,880
is a story that

1074
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,160
is still we're still looking into and

1075
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,839
there's a lot of unanswered questions

1076
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,800
there but it's

1077
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,760
very intriguing was there were you ever

1078
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,480
able to

1079
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,520
verify any of the numbers at all

1080
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,400
we we had what we thought was some

1081
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:35,920
verification

1082
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,119
from our mexican ufo investigator

1083
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,760
friends who were looking into the

1084
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,440
soldiers named

1085
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,640
as having died in the incident and

1086
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,880
uh we had some preliminary information

1087
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,760
that

1088
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,440
individuals who were serving in the

1089
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:56,000
mexican military in august 1974

1090
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,240
did in fact perish at that time

1091
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,640
however all of that is preliminary and

1092
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:03,359
we're not

1093
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,720
really prepared to say with certain

1094
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,400
with certainty they're still looking up

1095
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:10,160
death records this is a very recent

1096
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,960
development

1097
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,440
it's just been known to us for a few

1098
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:14,480
months

1099
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,880
and so uh as i say it's ongoing and will

1100
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,520
we hope to have more about that very

1101
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,280
soon

1102
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,280
well this is this is like another

1103
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,680
roswell i mean the investigations

1104
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,440
of it are going to keep going on and i

1105
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,119
hope you too

1106
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:34,160
uh stay on this because um you know it

1107
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,280
seems like you're you

1108
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,839
are getting somewhere on it and um you

1109
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:40,079
know it's the same thing with roswell i

1110
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,800
mean

1111
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,480
a lot of different investigators someone

1112
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,400
may come along you know after

1113
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,640
so many years and take over from where

1114
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:47,920
you guys are standing and

1115
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,359
and but it's one of these cases that um

1116
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,599
you know there's uh it needs to keep

1117
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,720
unfolding

1118
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:57,040
well you know the comparison to roswell

1119
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,160
is extremely

1120
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,440
um valid because

1121
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,160
it took many many years before the truth

1122
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:06,400
about roswell finally started to come

1123
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:06,960
out

1124
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,920
you know roswell happened in 1947 and

1125
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,240
the first book about it

1126
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,000
the research for which was done

1127
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,480
primarily by stanton friedman

1128
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,800
was published in 1980 which was the

1129
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:21,680
roswell incident by berlitz

1130
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:25,040
and so i mean it took how long is it

1131
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:25,560
from

1132
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,119
1947 to 1980 that's

1133
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,960
you know that's that's a really long

1134
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,750
so anyway we're approaching that same

1135
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,480
period of time now with the koyama case

1136
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,240
uh people have retired from the military

1137
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:44,800
they're feeling a little bit freer to

1138
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,359
speak

1139
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,480
about their experience we had and i

1140
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,720
meant to mention earlier but we just

1141
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,480
recently had contact through our

1142
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,319
facebook page

1143
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:57,520
from a young lady who says that

1144
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:00,880
her uncle was involved in

1145
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,480
in the us military and was ordered to go

1146
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,599
to mexico's roswell

1147
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,240
he went came back and was never the same

1148
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:11,760
she posted on our

1149
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,520
facebook page she claimed that her dad

1150
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,440
was involved with the u.s military

1151
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:19,920
retrieval of the crashed ufo

1152
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,520
near koyama in 1974. and

1153
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,560
um unfortunately when i

1154
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,720
attempted to meet with her or question

1155
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,599
her further

1156
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,119
she did not feel free to continue the

1157
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,319
dialogue

1158
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,760
so that's another kind of loose end

1159
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,599
that we're going to try to follow up on

1160
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,880
but

1161
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,960
she seemed very earnest and sincere and

1162
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,880
she put it in writing when she first

1163
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:47,760
approached me with it so

1164
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,280
wow well you can tell um if anyone just

1165
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,800
heard what i just said you can tell that

1166
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,280
i'm

1167
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,760
just had a six-hour commute today i just

1168
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,920
said oh yeah 53 years

1169
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,480
instead of 33 years my math is doing

1170
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,319
really good tonight

1171
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,079
yes so i heard 33 oh yeah i was 32. yeah

1172
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,200
i have the power of editing too i'll go

1173
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:10,720
back

1174
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,440
so um you know so as time moves on

1175
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,880
you know you guys come out with this

1176
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,960
book you you get extra

1177
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,520
an extra witness or two out of it that's

1178
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,119
what seems to happen a lot of times when

1179
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,640
there's tv shows

1180
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,599
yes documentaries or books come out

1181
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,160
people

1182
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,680
or they read it

1183
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,440
and they're ready to come forward and

1184
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,359
there may be a percentage

1185
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,240
that may be a little bs but when you

1186
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,760
talk about this teacher that sounds

1187
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,960
pretty legitimate

1188
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,560
have you had anyone come forward that

1189
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,839
you just didn't believe like i mentioned

1190
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,200
earlier

1191
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,800
the military person that contacted me

1192
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,119
uh we haven't you know everybody we've

1193
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:55,760
talked to has been extremely sincere

1194
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,960
there's been a few strange birds that

1195
00:46:03,829 --> 00:45:59,680
have

1196
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,839
communicated with us by email

1197
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:06,319
after we've done for example the coast

1198
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,280
to coast am

1199
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:10,000
show or one of those major shows you

1200
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,200
always get

1201
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:13,920
a lot of times you'll get some strange

1202
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,960
contacts from that

1203
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,520
commander volcan from the planet

1204
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,760
arcturus or something like that

1205
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,920
you know but you know different strokes

1206
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,560
for different folks no we really haven't

1207
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,160
had anybody unless reuben you might

1208
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,760
remember differently but we haven't

1209
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,920
really pursued any leads that have been

1210
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,640
totally false yeah we we really haven't

1211
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:36,960
been

1212
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,000
uh led astray too much uh

1213
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,920
most of the people have shared us shared

1214
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,920
some valuable information and

1215
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,920
one of the things that we're doing and

1216
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:48,160
uh noah mentioned the presidio

1217
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,200
conference and

1218
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,280
this is the way what we're trying to do

1219
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,160
by putting together these conferences

1220
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:57,520
along in texas uh we've had several of

1221
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,079
them

1222
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,400
uh this is one way of hopefully we might

1223
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,760
be able to get

1224
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,400
local testimony and we just may get that

1225
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,920
big break

1226
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,200
and that's how that's what bro that's

1227
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:10,240
how stanton freeman i recall

1228
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,599
he came across his major

1229
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,160
contact with mr jesse marcel through

1230
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,359
another gentleman

1231
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,119
uh that he happened to meet at the at

1232
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:20,640
the gas station and the

1233
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,079
guests i believe if i recall the the gas

1234
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,680
attendant told them oh you got to meet

1235
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:28,160
jesse marcel and that just opened up the

1236
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,960
doors for

1237
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,880
for stanton freeman yeah that was

1238
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,960
actually at a radio station but yes

1239
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:35,440
yes yeah yeah so i this is what we're

1240
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,319
hoping and

1241
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,280
that we'll be able to entice and meet

1242
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,079
other people

1243
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,200
and we meet people who've had of course

1244
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,160
their own their own experiences or uh

1245
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,839
that they share with us so

1246
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,680
it's it's happening all over the world

1247
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,359
but we sure is concentrated in the

1248
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,559
southwest

1249
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,520
right right now um you mentioned noe we

1250
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,960
were talking earlier on and you

1251
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,920
mentioned that you

1252
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,280
wanted to kind of announce something

1253
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,040
else go ahead if you'd like

1254
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,800
well reuben and i are extremely

1255
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
gratified

1256
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,240
for the past five or six years we've

1257
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,280
been working with towns here in texas

1258
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:13,119
to kind of promote tourism and also

1259
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,720
bring more focus on the whole ufo issue

1260
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:19,599
so we have actually been working with

1261
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,319
towns

1262
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:23,760
in texas to promote ufo festivals

1263
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,960
and when we say festivals we're

1264
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,839
primarily

1265
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,880
trying to make these educational

1266
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,880
experiences and as reuben just said we

1267
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,119
want to also provide a forum

1268
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,920
for speaker people to speak up about

1269
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,040
sightings that they

1270
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,880
have experienced or that someone close

1271
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,880
to them has and this has been very

1272
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,400
successful for us

1273
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,760
at the same time in addition to being

1274
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,920
educational and providing a safe

1275
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,599
environment where people can talk about

1276
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,119
their own experiences

1277
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,319
we also inject some fun into it and

1278
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,880
you know we'll usually have the local

1279
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,079
organizers

1280
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,720
such as the chamber of commerce folks

1281
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,760
and others

1282
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,440
plan some fun events for the whole

1283
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,119
family

1284
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,359
so we have cookouts we have costume

1285
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,280
contests we try to make it

1286
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,680
kind of a roswell ufo festival

1287
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,359
environment which is

1288
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,040
uh is where we obviously took the idea

1289
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,280
uh so it was kind of like bringing the

1290
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,480
whole atmosphere and

1291
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,920
a lot of your listeners have probably

1292
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,640
been to roswell in the summer for the

1293
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,480
their big annual festival which is the

1294
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,240
largest such festival in the world

1295
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,480
commemorating a ufo event

1296
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,920
so we're trying to bring some of that

1297
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:36,640
roswell atmosphere

1298
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:40,480
here to texas and we are of course

1299
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:43,839
we keyed on the

1300
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,880
spots in texas where major ufo incidents

1301
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,599
have happened

1302
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,720
such as presidio where the case that

1303
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,480
we're talking about tonight

1304
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,680
happened edinburgh texas

1305
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,920
which is my hometown that's where i'm

1306
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,720
talking to you

1307
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:01,280
from tonight we've got a big festival

1308
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,240
that launches

1309
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,599
on friday just in two days we've got

1310
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,640
kevin randle who is probably

1311
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,359
one of the world's foremost authorities

1312
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,880
he is one of the world's foremost

1313
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,119
authorities on the roswell ufo crash has

1314
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,280
written over 100 books

1315
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,440
he's our featured speaker kathleen

1316
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,800
martin who is the niece of betty hill

1317
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,040
again one of the most famous ufo stories

1318
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:26,800
in the world the abduction of betty and

1319
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:27,800
barney hill

1320
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,760
1964. they're coming down and speaking

1321
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,720
along with a whole

1322
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,920
other range of speakers so

1323
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,040
just this week one of the major

1324
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,200
magazines monthly magazines in the state

1325
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:42,160
of texas

1326
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,160
texas observer wrote up a five-page

1327
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,160
article on reuben and my efforts

1328
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,800
to promote tourism in the state of texas

1329
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,200
by holding these ufo festivals

1330
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,680
for which we we are very gratified the

1331
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:58,480
article

1332
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,319
um is titled very catchy title

1333
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,520
aliens without borders and it was

1334
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,520
written by a fine

1335
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,440
young staff writer with the texas

1336
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:10,880
observer named

1337
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,160
patrick michaels and

1338
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,720
basically he went and spent the entire

1339
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,440
weekend

1340
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,400
of the ufo festival we had this past

1341
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,559
january in del rio texas he spent the

1342
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,400
entire weekend with us

1343
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,960
he interviewed stanton friedman travis

1344
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,760
walton

1345
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:30,160
he interviewed reuben he interviewed me

1346
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,880
and

1347
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,760
a lot of the festival goers just people

1348
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:34,800
in general

1349
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,040
and um it's really a brilliant piece

1350
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,079
and it talks about how

1351
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,640
ruben and i in his opinion have

1352
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,520
succeeded

1353
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,880
in blending the fun elements

1354
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,079
uh the family-friendly environment

1355
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,599
of you know enjoying the idea the

1356
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,720
the appeal of enjoying the possibility

1357
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,680
that

1358
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,319
life could exist elsewhere and may have

1359
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,000
even visited the earth

1360
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,440
in the past and blending that

1361
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,559
with the notion of educating people on

1362
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,680
the reality

1363
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,720
of ufo encounters which are still going

1364
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,720
on today all around us

1365
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,200
so we were very gratified we were very

1366
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,720
happy that this article

1367
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,680
was just released and reuben has been

1368
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:24,400
kidding me

1369
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,000
non-stop because the writer of the

1370
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,079
article refers to me

1371
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,760
as the godfather of texas ufo

1372
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,800
festivals now that's a direct quote and

1373
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,640
uh you know how applicable that is i

1374
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,480
don't know but it sure is fun and

1375
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,800
and i've gotten a lot of ribbing over

1376
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,960
that but that's okay

1377
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,119
it was a really good article now how did

1378
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,800
youtube meet was it uh

1379
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,800
you or you mentioned how you met but

1380
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,559
you've written how many books together

1381
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,400
now

1382
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,079
reuben and i have written four books

1383
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,319
together we've had the a delightful

1384
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,599
partnership going we also get together

1385
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,480
quite often

1386
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,359
and appear together at conferences we

1387
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,079
vote we spoke together at the del rio

1388
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,520
ufo festival in uh this past

1389
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,680
january and we're going to be speaking

1390
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,319
in presidio at the annual

1391
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,640
um conference that we've mentioned a

1392
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:19,599
couple of times

1393
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,119
in october october 95th and we're also

1394
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,880
going to be speaking in los angeles in

1395
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,440
july

1396
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,040
yeah that's coming up very shortly

1397
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,800
and uh if you want to we just have a

1398
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,800
couple minutes left so

1399
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,640
excuse me if you want to just go quickly

1400
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,319
over the different books

1401
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,640
that you've written all right well

1402
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,160
reuben and i have actually

1403
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:41,920
you know it all started with mexico's

1404
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,559
roswell that's a title of our first book

1405
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,800
and we kind of titled it that because

1406
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,720
that's what the documentary on the

1407
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,880
history channel the original documentary

1408
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,359
was called

1409
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,520
as reuben mentioned the history channel

1410
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,480
was doing

1411
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,760
a series of shows about roswell-like

1412
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,880
incidents that occurred

1413
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,640
in other countries and one of them was

1414
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,720
mexico's roswell which was a koyamek

1415
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,520
case

1416
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:07,680
it actually happened as close to texas

1417
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,200
as it did to koyama so as we mentioned

1418
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,520
our second book arose from the first one

1419
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,319
is that we kept hearing about another

1420
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,640
crash retrieval along the texas-mexico

1421
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,520
border but much

1422
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,480
earlier and we actually found the air

1423
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:24,000
force pilot

1424
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:28,880
who chased the ufo and saw it crash land

1425
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,400
near del rio texas so our second book

1426
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,880
called the other roswell ufo crash on

1427
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,000
the texas-mexico border actually

1428
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,200
kind of eventually led around to the ufo

1429
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:43,119
festival that we hold every year now in

1430
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:44,559
del rio

1431
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,559
texas and so then reuben and i

1432
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,240
also did a second edition where we

1433
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,480
revised mexico's roswell

1434
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,359
we corrected it and we updated it and we

1435
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,359
added additional chapters

1436
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,000
and then we did a book about a very

1437
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,920
famous and little known

1438
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,839
case that's very similar to travis

1439
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,000
walton's encounter

1440
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,960
but with some strange elements that that

1441
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,960
as i say aren't widely known that was

1442
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:11,440
our book

1443
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,200
aliens in the forest which we released a

1444
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:17,200
couple of years ago and has been wildly

1445
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,079
successful

1446
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,680
and we've gotten some really good

1447
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,119
reviews on it

1448
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:24,079
and we still speak about that book quite

1449
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,280
often

1450
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,799
we'll have to come back and do another

1451
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,640
show with you about it and our latest

1452
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,480
book is called the koyame

1453
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,839
incident and it revisits the mexico's

1454
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,680
roswell case with

1455
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,280
all the new witnesses and new

1456
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:39,040
information that we talked about tonight

1457
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,000
today

1458
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,400
including the mystery of the sudden

1459
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,559
postings on wikipedia

1460
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,559
the story of the police officer who saw

1461
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,440
an alien step out of a cornfield

1462
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,559
in koyame and the uh the

1463
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,119
john chambers and and mrs chambers

1464
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:57,680
telling their story of what they saw

1465
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,359
uh on the night of uh august 1974.

1466
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,960
well great and your website is

1467
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,000
roswellbooks.com

1468
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,000
that's correct all right we very much

1469
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,440
appreciate you having us on

1470
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,040
it's been wonderful and we will have you

1471
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,599
back for sure thank you so much

1472
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,520
thank you again very much martin and for

1473
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,960
having us you bet

1474
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,599
so well that's it for our show today and

1475
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:21,520
if you missed any part of the show you

1476
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,240
can catch it

1477
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,799
as a podcast and a whole bunch of other

1478
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:25,920
free podcasts

1479
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,160
on our website which is podcastufo.com

1480
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,720
you can check out the links and stories

1481
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,160
in our show notes

1482
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,880
and i do apologize for andy's clip he'll

1483
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:39,119
be back next week with that one

1484
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,839
and our next week's guest will be roger

1485
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:45,359
marsh i want to thank everyone for

1486
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,079
helping out

1487
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,880
with our show today our two guests of

1488
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,240
course snowy rubin

1489
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,079
and keith roland producer for the dark

1490
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,599
matter radio network

1491
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,680
andy fleming again he'll be back carrie

1492
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,119
lloyd white house of the music

1493
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,200
peggy shunning for managing our facebook

1494
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,440
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1495
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,319
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1496
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,079
can check us out live right here

1497
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,839
on the dark matter radio network every

1498
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,160
wednesday at 8 pm eastern standard time

1499
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,000
and don't forget to jump in the chatroom

1500
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,640
at podcast ufo this is martin willis

1501
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,359
reminding you to keep your eyes to the